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The best years of our lives. Are they over already?

15. October 2009

Oct. 9th, the closing of the 16th GD. Nov. 9th 2009, 20 years since the fall of the Berlin Wall. What about the future of the Ad industry in the Old and New Europe?

The fall of the Berlin Wall meant a lot for the entire world, more so for the adverting industry. Despite the dramatic conflicts that followed the event, the advertising industry in the CEE started its Golden Age. The beginnings were probably as described by the Russian author Pelevin in his book “Generation P” ( http://tinyurl.com/ygxqbzx ) . Advertising and media markets were just pure and joyful chaos and almost everybody was able to get rich.

Then the Big A’s came to run the business, sending some brilliant expats to control and lead the creative anarchist talent of the “locals”. Still that was OK. Lots of people were earning more money in one year than their parents were able to in a whole life. Media inflation grew and owning even a small local magazine was a chance to become filthy rich. Not to mention the so called “grey area” where advertising, media and business were melting to generate impressive profits, with apparently no control.

Twenty years later, someone somewhere far away burst the bubble. CEE advertising markets were “heroes just for one day”. It doesn’t matter if someone is telling us “We are the EU now. We are a bigger market than the U.S.”. The crisis showed that CEE countries are not the El Dorado anymore. As every industry, even the advertising industry has its rule – go where the profits are. And now it’s time for other countries to enter the battlefield. We should not complain

In 1997 Niall Fitzgerald of Unilever said “Listen to this list: Mexico, Brazil, Argentina, Poland, Turkey, India, South Korea, Indonesia, Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore, Vietnam, China, Hong Kong and Taiwan. These are countries whose gross domestic product is already increasing two to three times faster than those of developed European countries.” ( http://tinyurl.com/ylenfyt ). Ten years later, Sir Martin Sorrell of WPP wrote -- “Indeed, the European Union is really a supply-side led phenomenon, harmonising production and distribution, rather than demand.”

As far most of us are marketing and communications professionals, maybe we should have listened to those hints. So we probably won’t need to moan about the crisis today. But now it’s 20 years since the fall of the Berlin Wall. 20 years is a generation. Would you like to give some suggestion for the young guys who are ready to join the advertising industry? Any hint to share in order to reinvent the advertising business in Europe? But please remember we are just one year away since the World Market’s Big Re-set… ;-)

Comments:
Martin Mol
Drummer: Martin Mol    |   18. October 2009   |   05:52 AM

First of all: TNX NP, for sharing one of the best Rock 'n Roll songs ever. Second: If I hear what young creatives earn by some agencies... you wont believe it. Working in a supermarket gets you more money than to start working as a junior CW or AD. So common agencies... don't complain at the same time that young people are not motivated anymore. Making money is the goal in Advertising. Also for them. Pay fair!

Nuttyprof
Drummer: Nuttyprof    |   18. October 2009   |   05:57 PM

Welcome back Martin. I was missing you. Seems we are the only talkative people here :-) I understand your point. Fair pay should be a right for everyone, young or not. Unfortunately, today’s problem is being employed or not, no matter how much is the salaryl. No matter if you are young or old.



Of course “making money” is the goal in advertising, as it is in every industry I guess. Check http://tinyurl.com/2xy6fy or http://tinyurl.com/yzrd2ut if you like ;-) For what concerns the adv industry in the “old-new” markets, I think we need to go in deep. Let me quote again Sir Martin Sorrell of WPP – “We were spoiled in the nineties. All you had to do was come into the office”. But now the Golden Age is over.



In the past ad people - no matter if juniors or seniors - were paid more (probably over paid compared to their actual skills or knowledge) because of a simple economic law --“when resources are scarce they demand higher prices”. I guess if you now check India, China, Brazil or South Africa, you may realize that a CW or AD in a major adv company earns more money than a doctor or a professor. Probably over here people working in a supermarket deserve a higher pay than young CW or AD because of market laws.



Anyway time for “easy money making” is over for everybody. This is why I asked Drummers about their experience/point of view. How will the adv industry will evolve according to all of us? Or maybe we all should find a supermarket where to apply for a job.



PS. For the young people who may be reading us – never lose you passion if you want to be successful. Time is on your side. Check http://tinyurl.com/yk8tkcu

Jure Teoman
Drummer: Jure Teoman    |   21. October 2009   |   11:56 AM

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Drummer: Jure Teodorovič    |   21. October 2009   |   02:17 PM

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Drummer: zbrchka    |   21. October 2009   |   03:41 PM

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Mitja Stepan
Drummer: Mitja Stepan    |   21. October 2009   |   04:29 PM

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Victor
Drummer: Victor    |   22. October 2009   |   06:38 PM

What about ad or pr in Romania? Even if you are a junior or a shop assistant you earn too little money. But maybe the crisis will pass and things will get better.

Martin Mol
Drummer: Martin Mol    |   22. October 2009   |   07:46 PM

David B. sings in this hero song " What you say, I say... "

Know what I mean? Be always different and everything is yours. What I try to say:

Jure Teoman, Jure Teodorovič, zbrchka, Mitja Stepan, point out your point. A point on his own is a only aspot. Know what I mean?



PS: One of the best artist with great songs on the planet died recently: on minute 7.00 he really goes brilliant.... click and kick:



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Martin Mol
Drummer: Martin Mol    |   22. October 2009   |   07:53 PM

Sorry mates, here it is:



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Drummer: Martin Mol    |   22. October 2009   |   07:58 PM

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VeM
Drummer: VeM    |   31. October 2009   |   02:38 PM

I for one am quite glad that there will be some changes. I do feel for all the individuals that are struggling, but as the industry we had it coming. There was something wrong in this business also in the CEE. I cannot guess what was earlier, the egg or the chicken, but the outcome was a wishes circle. Without going into too many details, I can say that in our business, the knowledge, experience and seniority became too expensive. And as a consequence firstly the junior, inexperienced people are making strategic decisions and secondly most of the competition is put down to pricing instead of quality and right ideas. And so the circle goes on, there is fewer resources invested in people in knowledge in tools, ethics has become a stranger...

It is my observation that the today’s actors in the marketing field have polarised into the ones that are using these times to get fully ready and in shape for when the game starts again and to the ones who are panicking and further reducing the prices, and playing dirty.

So there is some chance (not being naive I do not expect much) it should be good for everyone playing hard and fair.

As for the young individuals starting, I can only say, be on the bright side of the playground, learn hard, work hard and play ethical. And do it all the time, it is the only way to real success.

Martin Mol
Drummer: Martin Mol    |   07. November 2009   |   10:11 PM

Times are chancing for sure and besides that I like it, we for sure also need it. The wall of capitalism is going down at the moment. Twenty years after the Berlin wall. Fine with me because than we are equal and east and west Europe can go on together. Can we not speed up the process, please. People.

Martin Mol
Drummer: Martin Mol    |   10. November 2009   |   07:56 PM

.@ VeM : You said: - And as a consequence firstly the junior, inexperienced people are making strategic decisions -. So true! Today I was by a international respected Ad Agency and a 22 year old girl introduced herself as a Junior Creative Director. Hahahahaha!!!!! For God sake. Is there also something like a Senior Creative Director?????? People, please stop doing blablablablabla......

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